Seth: The previous interviews in this series between Franco and Scabbiolo have been a World of Confusion for me, so I'm happy to have the chance to enter into this world of confusion and ask you both some questions. First of all, why is confusion important? Franco: Well, it's terribly important to overcome the fear of confusion because we have the tendency to look for certainties, to look for knowledge, to look for elements to immediately make things crystal clear—what Descartes was calling, “clear and distinct ideas,” as it were. And that of course is an illusion, because in [...]

The following is the second part of a conversation between Terry Hanson and Peter Hopkins on art and the influence of the artistic process on their work as therapists. The discussion left off last time with Peter talking about the feeling of failing that can sometimes happen while painting, and the role that the superego can play in impeding the artistic process. Terry: I wonder if the feeling that you described when you’re painting, that the painting is in some way failing, is actually your superego defense against something. That you are in fact in an area of risk, [...]